time, even that community wasn't, and to the extent i talked about foreign policy, i was talking about benghazi rather than cuba. >> last question. you didn't use the word "immigration." it was not in there? >> it came up -- >> a little bit. >> a little bit. it came up in the following way. people wanted to know that the president cared about the issue. they wanted to understand why it hasn't be achieved in his first term. it served, almost in these interviews the same function i view it serving generally that of the threshold issue, and by that i mean, if you're okay on immigration, they listen to the rest of it. if you're not okay on immigration, they are not going to listen to the rest of it, which, i think, is part of, i don't think it's fully the problem republicans have, but it's part of it, receivers a little, again, in these antedoal evidence derived from interviews that it was an issue, but it was almost a you're okay on this issue, let's talk about the rest of it. >> fascinating, great. same question. what did you do on your autumn vacation? now, i know you organized an independent ex